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Constantinus Maximus
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: Zulu
The opinions and views expressed in Fearless are just that; opinions and views. They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company.
I would like one very simple question answered.
If this is the case then why has it been your company strategy for a few years now?
You had one chance to be open with your customers and save CCPGames as a whole and this is what you have to say?
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Sofia Coren Try again, this time without spending the whole blog telling us how wonderful and right you are...
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: Larik Olen 'I hope Iæve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues youære having'
You didn't. Not a single one. This is simply the most arrogant, useless response you could possibly have come up with.
We will never trust you after this. Never again.
QFT
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:31:00 -
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BACK ON TOPIC! The devblog is working, you are talking about what they wants you to talk about. Prices.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:42:00 -
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It won't sink in. Just sits on the edge of my mind going "WTF CCP?!?!"
I knew you were isolated from the real world, but wow, just wow.
Do you have enough cash to last another 18 months without Eve backing you up? Is that why you come with this hubris?
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Zolacar
Originally by: Lain Runner Will CCP try and pull a Star Wars Galaxies NGE stunt on its player base? Stay tuned!
I think they just did!
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Mater Dolorosa If I were a CCP shareholder I would ask tomorrow morning for the dismissal of CCP Zulu for utter incompetence...
Despising shamelessly old paying customers with 2 or 3 accounts is totally irresponsible...
It's so much easier then that with CCPs structure.
A few big guys arrive in a black BWM 4WD followed by an old beat up truck.
"We are taking the computers".
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: LordElfa After Champions Online went free to play and offered more than Vanity items in their store, their player base increased 1000%.
Even if everyone who was against EVE having more than Vanity items in the store quit today, the money being brought in from MT would more than cover their leaving.
Face it people, the lack of an answer on non-vanity items is the answer. They are coming, period. You can either stay and take part or leave and go elsewhere.
Nothing we have to say or do here is going to change that fact, nothing. There are only maybe 5000 people taking part in these protest vs the other 400,000 that don't care and their purchases from NeX will more than make up for your absence.
Truth sucks, huh.
CCP hopes. CCP wrong.
They forget the whole premise of the game and think it's just about shinny.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: I P Freely bare minimum respectful and put forward there concerns in a constructive manner.
We tried that for about 4-5 years and they kept coming to the meetings with blank looks like they didn't know what we were talking about.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: Republica Winder
Fear is a very important emotion. No, one shouldn't be ruled by it, or give into it. But it helps you make better decisions. Fear is a warning. Fear stops you from doing something really dumb.
Fear can be countered by a small group of idiots reinforcing delusions that risk is less.
In CCPs case by telling each other how smart they are.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:30:00 -
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This is why they seem to think they can continue without customers.
http://eve-files.com/dl/244747
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:50:00 -
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Originally by: Android Mindslave glassdoor
"Several years now CCP has predicated insane subscriber goals that cannot be met. Naturally this is met with scepticism by the employees but it falls on deaf ears. The result is that the company is suffering because we cannot sustain the development of EVE, DUST and WOD. EVE is not creating enough revenue which means that solutions are sought, solutions that CCP was vehemently against a few years ago."
CCP needs to eat their humble pie, protect their 'bird in the hand' money generator that is EVE, kill WoD and accept the consequences of the position they've placed themselves in. It will go FAR better than trying to save everything and ending up with nothing. A consistently profitable sub based MMO is a valuable resource that many other companies would kill to have.
There is video of that on youtube.
Hilmar walks into each room and yells "The new subscriber target is 600k!"
One room they all look at him like "WTF you ****head we're working on stuff that actually matters here. Go away.".
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:59:00 -
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Originally by: Eoins Alt
Originally by: Dan Kaneda
Originally by: Da Gooch
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
The answer is really simple and they've already told you. "We don't have to answer, we don't need you, quit whenever you like"
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/yellow2/crimeCycle_1.jpg
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Posted - 2011.06.25 01:16:00 -
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Did CCP_Zulu RAGEQUIT life? :-)
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:07:00 -
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TO CCP EMPLOYEES:
Maybe an intervention?
If you all confront Hilmar in his office and scream at him that it's your jobs and he's wrong until he cries.
At least you'll get a little satisfaction.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:17:00 -
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Originally by: Kenpachi Viktor
Originally by: shilpi This Blog was complete and utter waste of time. The real questions were not answered and CCP only trying to **** paste us all over. If you took one day and came with this crap god help you. Let us know if you need any help?
Now the real questions, actually it's only one question.
Are you moving beyond Vanity Items
You have to answer this question, we are not asking you to stop doing what you want, hell if someone throws their foot at axe, what should I care for? But we deserve the right to know answer for this question, as sticking with Eve-Online or Greed-Offline will depend on it.
Once again i will rephrase the question,in case you are too busy milking the cash cows/golden goose and skipped it.
Are you moving beyond Vanity Items
And don't even think you can skip answer to this and this will come to and end, it WILL NOT!!!!
CEO Hilmar says yes.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 03:42:00 -
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Originally by: Boma Airaken There is no "rhetoric on rhetoric". All the community is asking is "Will you be opening this up beyond vanity items?". Its ****ing easy to answer. It is a ****ing yes or no question, and MANY MANY MANY subscriptions hang in the balance. Just answer it and move on. And fire the arrogant **** that wrote that devblog. Because seriously, he is obviously a successful nerd who thinks his **** doesn't stink because he made his favorite game and couldn't give a toss about any single person who plays it.
He has.
Yes they will.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:16:00 -
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Originally by: ZeroWulf
Originally by: CCP Zulu Hey all. To clarify this blog, its intent was to address two topics and two topics only;
1. What Fearless is and the nature of its content 2. The pricing strategy behind the NeX store
I do realize there are other concerns you have and those will be addressed, but doing it all at the same time would make the messaging tricky and muddled and not allow for a focused discussion. I understand a lot of the frustration going around but if we want to discuss then we need to do so in a constructive and focused manner.
Thanks, Arnar
CCP Zulu,
You have single handedly managed to not only pimp slap your entire community, but also managed the monumental task of becoming (probably) the single most inept DevBlog Composer EVER.
For 3 days, the forum has been buzzing with question, questions that can only be answered by your company. Your Blog didn't answer anything other that what we already knew and YOU KNEW THAT WHEN YOU WROTE IT. You knew you weren't answering our questions.
Well sir, you gambled, and LOST.
Your invisible (and absent) PR/Community director suddenly jumps from the shadows to beg, nay PLEAD with the community for a Parlay to buy YOU time to compose an article that answers the questions we ask.
And then you write that.
I wasn't aware that in Iceland is was custom to pretty much call your entire player base ******ed. Your entire SmugBlog (because lets all face it, thats EXACTLY what it was) was just you touting some inept fallacy that your brain has concocted so that you dont have to actually acknowledge that people are mad.
You've got major MMO news sites now covering this, as well as CSM members speaking out on EVE radio, a number of them i'm sure planning on cancelling subs depending on what you do next.
Seriously, you need to let your PR person do their job. Don't EVER let Zulu in front of a keyboard again. (That is, unless you like all the trade hub and forum riots) Let your Public Relations people deal with the public. Had that been done (and that person done their JOB from the outset) the backlash would probably not been as bad as it is now.
It's only going to get a lot worse.
Your Post in this thread Zulu only shows that your going to talk about what you want to talk about, and to heck with what your player base says.
Your company, everything it says and does within the next few days, is going to be watched by A LOT of people. You won't just lose subs for EvE, but also potential players for your WoD MMO. People don't tend to forget incidents like this.
Their stats shows them more of us were ball-less whiners then those who would unsubscribe.
They hope that if they ignore everything, those that say "I will quit if you ever" will stay and those who make noise will leave.
CCP should have done some reading on social networks and communities, how they function and where the contections between nodes go.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:19:00 -
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Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
They hope that if they ignore everything, those that say "I will quit if you ever" will stay and those who make noise will leave.
HEAR THAT!
If you are this person and if you haven't already taken the extra step of actually doing the painless unsubscribe. CCP is looking to you. To make this massive scam work.
You are the shill.
Your investment of time and emotion is naught now. Do not consider it in your choice. Your isk is worthless.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:21:00 -
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Originally by: RougeOperator
Originally by: Ra Vhim Hm, that leaked Hilmar email, which I assume is real, explains a lot of what is going on.
CCP Zulu. I sincerely apologize for being an ass earlier in the thread.
You are apologizing to a guy that is complicit and aiding in lying to you?
I find all the CCP that were out trying to damage control this as contemptible as the big wig for going along with it.
Yeah I don't go in for this whole "innocent individuals" ****.
They are complicit. They had the chance to walk out of the company over this.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kalestia Barrak
This is your thing. You have to have a bloody expansion every 6 months so you can inject a few thousand subscribers into your struggling model, so it comes to this. Headwear. Not a polished add-on ("best expansion yet", indeed. =P ), just a room that breaks graphics cards and oh, buy our $30 pants, cause we blew our budget on our drunken Dust plans and then flipped off Microsoft.
If CCP was truly interested in growing EVE as a game, then they'd make that game, that core game, appeal to many more people. It's why it still blows my mind that for as cool as PvP and sovergnity is in game (the feature they keep trying to sell), it is enjoyed by no more than a quarter of the population at most. Less than 10% of EVE players are in 0.0.
And yet things like content, missions, STORY, are hardly anywhere to be seen. Their content department has been gutted, their mission tools and features have been abandoned one after the other (COSMOS, Epic Arcs, Faction Warfare, Exploration, expeditions, etc) in various states of development. There is no narrative to experience, except for the one the players make themselves, and for most people, they read about it in EVE news, not partake of it themselves, because it's beyond the reach of most to be enjoyable.
But instead of building on that, you know, like every other MMO company does, we get hats. Oh, and they're $70. If this were TF2, I'd have a freakin' "towering pile of monocle" for that. Twice.
I'd like to see CCP some out and state a direction and plan for this game, and stick with it for a while, and not just throw out half-baked features because someone decided it was a great idea and wrote a blog post promising it before it was vetted or not. If you really think "walking in stations" is going to add a lot, then great. But take some time on it, and actually follow through for once, instead of littering the game with all of these long forgotten features, and then insult us by trying to justify a $70 eye patch. I mean, REALLY?
This game has been coasting on a lack of competition as the only real sci-fi MMO in town, but that's not going to grow it beyond what it is, nor will it keep it going indefinitely. If you guys don't want to pull a SWG, you'll take a good long look at it, and really figure out what you want to do with this thing.
The market size for sci-fi spacesubmarine game is limited.
They never really seemed to understand this. Sitting at near 100% market penetration with 300k subscribers and Hilmar asks for 600k?
From where? WoW? That worked out well. 6 months later it was the miss-aligned from new-Eve-player-from-WoW which leads to Hilmar learning to ignore the customers.
CCP really just have to learn their market is 300-350k subscribers. They need to get those, then fix enough bugs to keep them.
I have 10 people on call waiting for XYZ patch. The moment CCP fixes stuff I ring them. They ring 5 people each and the week after the action is on. I haven't made these phonecalls for 3.5 years.
Want to get more subscribers? Fix some bugs and we all make those calls.
CCP just never understood that. Success != growth. Success = eating.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:46:00 -
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Originally by: Tethys Atreides I am sad that certain members of this community, rather than taking CCP to task for the above, have turned this into a chest thumping contest.
These are the people that have been "taking CCP to task" for 4 to 8 years.
That's why they are here in force. Because they do actually care.
Just most now realise this is the best corp fail-cascade the game has had and it's better to laugh.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:49:00 -
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Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 25/06/2011 04:51:45
Originally by: Kalestia Barrak
They can subsist just fine on 300k. They really can.
For sure. I give them more then enough money to maintain the service.
Originally by: Kalestia Barrak EVE could have many more players.
Most of them already have accounts even, just need their favorite bug fix to bring them back.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 04:53:00 -
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Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 25/06/2011 04:55:43 Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 25/06/2011 04:53:19
Originally by: Tethys Atreides The problem comes when it is turned into a battle of egos. Then you see what we did today with Hilmar digging his heels in despite the obvious flow of events and opinions. All I'm saying is that calling someone a **** does not further the discussion...
Hilmar adopted the "Users tell me dumb stuff which is wrong" attitude probably 2 years ago.
edit: They got burnt by user feedback without quality metrics hard.
There was a thread with a document being linked by people who didn't really agree with the document. A lot of bumping by angry people and CCP focused on the bad info contained in the ****storm.
There were a few screaming it was wrong but the tide was way too strong.
This taught Hilmar we are idiots.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:18:00 -
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When you buy a monocle does it have a survey box?
a) I bought this as a joke with my now worthless isk. b) I bought this awesome thing cause I like golf.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 05:32:00 -
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Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 25/06/2011 05:34:32
Originally by: zapthemrocks Dear CCP: Please hire a real economist
They did. (not economist, banker) His job was to analyse every mechanic in Eve and see how it could be squeezed for money.
Likely the genius who decided they could remove features then add them again for MT.
Joseph Gallo - Chief Financial Officer
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/joseph-gallo/20/726/64b
edit: haha poignant name if he's the voice that poisoned Hilmars brain and hung CCP
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Posted - 2011.06.25 06:58:00 -
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Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 25/06/2011 07:01:18
Originally by: Carmoisine Bavaire Im a bit pussled at what ppl are complaining about .... Is it that he monockle is too expensive ? Is it that you can buy it with real money ? Is it that someone spent valueable devtime making it and not doing something more worthy ? I see some arguements about not liking ppl that buy items with Real life cash, but to be honest, you can perfectly well do that today. Some Killboards are actually putting the $, ú and Ç prices below the ISK value of the loss. You can get a fully fitted Titan for less than 200 plex, A BS for 1 plex, Faction / deadspace fitted Marauder for like 6 Plex, and a Monockle for 4 ... Whats the problem ?
The CEO of CCPGames just told the players to go **** themselves "I'm getting new players!"
edit: Actually he didn't even have the courage to say it to our faces. Someone had to gather up the info.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:05:00 -
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Originally by: Florestan Bronstein ..... CCP reducing the number of ship fittings I can store in the client to 50 only to sell me an upgrade for AUR later on...
"we're almost at the point where we can charge them for features we've already deployed!"
This is where I stopped laughing in the Hilter video.
I knew for sure something was up when matar tattoos went away, but when you hear it expressed like that.....
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:08:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Mung Hahahahah I read that blog expecting maybe some kind of decent response, but instead I read: "We understand you don't like it, but **** you, deal with it". And for some odd reason the morons running the show think it's STILL a good idea to keep going down this road. Eve is really going down the ****ter.
Wait till you get to Hilmar's email.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:43:00 -
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Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 25/06/2011 07:46:32
Originally by: Ciar Meara
--snip Hilmars email--
If this is true they have gone crazy. I'll be "doing" not saying from now on.
Confirmed by CCP Navigator. Internal CCP communication thread lock.
edit: bah too long
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:47:00 -
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Originally by: Dalton Vanadis At this point, I think my message will be lost in the 70+ pages of others. But I'll give it a go regardless.
CCP has been, easily, my favorite company on this planet. For the time I've played EVE they have always seemed up front and caring to customers, they always seemed to give a **** about the customer and by extension, this would bring them steady, good business.
I won't lie, a lot of things in the last few days have really irked me. Maybe not to the point of unsubbing, but damn close. All I can say is, this is the first time I've seen video game players RIOT. This is the first time I've seen thousands of players unite in under 24 hours to send a company messages of displeasure. I'm pretty sure CCP has gotten more forum responses in 24 hours than most US congressional representatives get in a month. I would think that this would prompt the company to listen.
See, if I don't think about Hilmar's email, or Zulu's rude, stuck-up, and arrogant as hell devblog, or the internal discussion on a topic I thought was closed, or even the absolute misunderstanding of the stated meaning of *micro,* I start to calm down and go to my normal state of, "perhaps they just screwed something up and it'll be fixed in a day or two."
But then I think about the absolute contempt of the player base in Hilmar's email, or the arrogance of Zulu's dev blog, or the money-sucking opinions of a propagandist internal newsletter (lets call a spade a spade here), or the complete disconnect with reality on the NeX. And really, the only shining beacon left to me is Pann's amazingly well-mannered olive branch (thank you!) and the amazing work that people like Soundwave have done (again, thank you! BFF made Soundwave my most favorite dev evah). It's hard to cling to those small gems when it seems like the higher ups are completely disconnected with reality.
Essentially, the players have given you an easy out, take it, all they want is information about a game that many pay for a YEAR in advance, that many have dedicated YEARS of their lives to. Manage expectations, be honest and forthcoming, you will solve a lot of this. Hopefully the player reaction shows you that doing this sooner rather than later is in your best interests.
Please, please, I love the potential WiS offers, you enchanted me at fanfest, you've shown you are committed to player requests, please don't let something as ******edly stupid as definitively answering one question derail you as a company. As Pann said, you have long since passed the expiration date on our patience, the farther you go away from it, the more it's going to sour. I don't know what you've got roiling internally right now, but you best get it sorted.
So to end: I like EVE, ima little ****ed, I have good memories new and old, most devs I like (there are a few that I may not have glowing opinions of, but I'll keep that opinion to myself and my corpmates), It's hard not to get ****ed at the material out there now, I'm still excited for the future of EVE, but you really do need to hop on the full-disclosure bandwagon (or at least some variant that you were on earlier), and I really hope this turns out for the better and that we can all go back to happiness, puppies, and rainbows.
But seriously, you guys suck at PR lately, you've been doing way more damage control than is normal, you should be structured so damage control never need occur because you are that in tune with your customers, the products they buy and want (actually say they want, this is NOT a no means yes situation).
Just my long ass two cents, hopefully you'll take a little time and notice it.
There you go, good post has to be on more then one page. Many feel exactly the same.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:50:00 -
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Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 25/06/2011 07:51:05
Originally by: Sylthi FOR ALL THOSE STILL WONDERING HOW FAR MT WILL GO:
For all of you who keep asking the question: Are non-vanity items in CCP's plans to come to Eve MT? The reason that they are NOT answering you directly is that they HAVE already answered all of us directly in the confirmed authentic leaked Newsletter. We just weren't supposed to SEE it.
The author is speaking directly about Eve, and I quote DIRECTLY from page 9:
"Not all virtual purchases will focus on customization: some will simply be new items, ammunition, ships, etc. that can be purchased outright."
If you don't believe me, go read it for yourself.
They are NOT talking hypothetically. They are NOT discussing different options that might come to Eve. Do NOT believe all the Dev lies saying that they are.
They are talking about FACT in the Newsletter. They are talking about what is COMING to Eve VERY SOON (without the TM).
And, when we all complained about it, we were told by the Senior Producer and the CEO themselves to: STFU and GTFO. Oh, and I forgot we got a healthy dose of "How DARE you ungrateful scum question us your Lords and Masters?!?!?"
So yeah, CCP has VERY much answered the question about how far MT is going. Just read a little for yourself, you'll see.
Just truth. like the Hilter video says "They shouldn't be ****ing surprised!! WoW did this 3 years ago!!". If you read/watch CCPs messages over the last 4 years you see it shift sharply 3 years ago then just get more into groupthink.
Originally by: Troy LS boycott sony till they drop Dust?
It is stillborn now regardless. They do have the backstory of Sansha kidnappings to provide DUST bots though for the 3 people playing (plan B).
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Posted - 2011.06.25 07:53:00 -
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Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 25/06/2011 07:54:06
Originally by: Matunaga
There's some hope in this email, though: it was leaked on purpose - as was this memorandum before. So, there is some kind of resistance inside ccp too.
Frustrated cornered people at the end of their ropes.
edit: Which CCP will witchhunt for tomorrow, once again missing the point that they need to act, 3 days ago, :18months: ago, 3 years ago.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: NellieLovett
lol
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Posted - 2011.06.25 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: Jake Maverick I Fail to see where that breaks anything. I just feel like we are making mountains out of molehills
This might help explain the new business model.
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/yellow2/crimeCycle_1.jpg
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Vorenius TL;DR I guess there was a cunning plan, but question is still the same as a year ago: do they have the cash and the stomach?
From Hilmars position it would seem that revenue streams don't matter and it's all just a big box to hide money in.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 17:50:00 -
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Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 25/06/2011 17:51:24
Originally by: Lord Cath unsubbed my accounts...
It became very clear after Helmar's mail, that the bigshots at CCP see us as kids who do not know what's best for them, which is pretty funny, seen as most of the players in EvE are between 25 and 35. So, take my word for it CCP, we do know what's best for us. We know what we want in this game, and that is what you guys sold to us in the beginning. When EvE was your pride and joy, a flagship you could indeed be immensely proud of.
But when it becomes very clear that EvE to you guys has become a milking cow to fund other games 90% of EvE players are not interested in and you start adressing this playerbase with a form of arrogance I have never seen a company use towards it's customers before, the best thing to do is just walk away and hope you guys at one point realise what a wonderful thing you are destroying.
tbh I'm not holding my breath...
To Hilmar this just confirms his tact "good. I want to replace customer base with 12-15yos who can't think"
edit:ugh coffee
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Posted - 2011.06.25 18:03:00 -
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The major problem is they are doing a player purge.
Nothing to do with prices.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Slaqer Edited by: Slaqer on 25/06/2011 19:10:04
Quote: Your subscription fee gives you unlimited access to the EVE Online servers, website, and customer support. Unlike console games where you are purchasing the game as-is, the development of EVE as a persistent world is ongoing with frequent updates to add new features and improve your gameplay experience. Subscriptions allow us to continue making EVE bigger and better as well as paying our staff their monthly wages. CCP does not charge extra for game expansions.
According to the EVE F.A.Q on your website, AUR should never exist. If your own website is deceitful, why should we trust what you say? Just more food for thought.
^^ We all signed up under the implied contract that we pay CCP and they maintain the service.
EULA is bull****, even tries to wieve your right to the UN Convention on Contracts. just lol. Not worth the paper it's not written on.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: VisKerric
Originally by: Claire Shala
Originally by: Nishachara CCP answer this please:
ARE YOU MOVING BEYOND AURUM-FOR-VANITY ITEMS?
So i can know should i continue to play and spend time on your game or not.
I think I can answer that for you.
Selling vanity only items (even at dumb prices) will only net you so much money, not everyone is willing to buy them. The vanity items are also not cheap to design, model and implement, and vanity must be feed and updated continuously. CCP's 6+ month lead time on making 1-2 new models/shirts/accessories would rendered the vanity only NeX store a joke eventually.
The only thing they could sell consistently in NeX is pay-to-win things. After that happens, its just a matter of how fast things go down hill.
But there is more.
The funny thing about most pay-to-win items is they have basically ZERO development cost. Add SP? Probably 10 lines of code to add points to the system already in place. Gold ammo? Take faction ammo, pallet shift the icon, adjust stats and you are done. Same with modules, BPCs and implants.
Vanity ships, or 'custom' paintjobs and logos will take more work, they've been requested forever and now that greed and a cracking whip are in full command, you'll see them very soon.
Pay-to-win items are just too easy, and too (short term) lucrative for the 'Greed is Good' mentality of CCP to pass up.
CCP will not come out and say directly "Yes non-vanity items will be sold." because they are trying to be subtle on this (and only this it seems). String people along, slowly ease 'innocent' pay-to-win items in the store, and hope people are blind enough to not only pay a subscription, but also pay out the nose for items all but required to play the game.
IS CCP moving beyond aurum-for-vanity items? Yes, at full speed.
Greed is Good after all.
BINGO
Non-virtual Reality.
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Posted - 2011.06.25 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Everial Listen to the CSM.
CSM has been completely hamstrung in this whole thing.
CCP do not trust them.
CCP have no intention of ever having customers become any kind of communication partner in this.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Posted - 2011.06.25 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: Benteen If they want to release Dust as a connected game... CCP CAN'T shut EVE down without Dust failing with it.
My guess is DUST will be released as a stand-alone to help with cashflow for the winding down of CCPGame as they sell the assets etc.
There is a chance though that CCP will just keep going as a black box for Icelandic billionare money.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Lysander Kaldenn
If I was a builder people would pay me to build them houses.
So how many of my clients are going to get excited when I announce that I'm stopping construction on their homes, BUT I be compensating them by supplying free hand-made Hello Kitty dolls.
Here's a subscription business one for ya:
Originally by: Hugh Hefner
"Hey Bunnies, I've got a new idea!
Ok so here it is.
You know Playboy right? Yeah well I'm going to change it.
We're going to morph it into an 'Interior Design' magazine, same name, same cover, just different inside."
"Will there be girls?"
"Nah it's about tables, curtains and colour schemes."
"oh.... I don't get it....."
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: M'ktakh Did Liang and Helicity really get banned, even ingame?
yes. everything you see is true. I have not seen much in the way of false info.
CCP did it to themselves so there isn't really much "conspiracy" about it.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:15:00 -
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Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 25/06/2011 23:16:27
Originally by: Jannx Just a small point that's going to get lost in all this nonsense, but 47000 logins on a Saturday night doesn't mean a vote of confidence for CCP.
What it probably means is that the players who have unsubbed are getting the most out of their characters, or putting their respective houses in order, before the subscriptions run out. Some want to go and see a protest, and some are undoubtedly trying to persuade their corps to leave.
Nothing the player community does will hurt CCP now. But in 3/6/12 months time, when all those subscriptions don't come back, then it'll hurt like hell.
The thing is, companies work on forecasts. They budget on them, invest on them and plan on them. So, if the forecast looks like a cliff edge then they'll be limited in what they can do going forward, and investment won't be forthcoming.
Reputation is also key. People won't want to play (or, maybe invest in) a CCP game if they've shown contempt to their player base in the past. Reviews are read and recommendations are made based on past performance. CCP aren't scoring very high right now, and it will be remembered. Plus other companies are watching this and may see an opportunity to get in on the Internet Spaceships theme.
So, 47000 now but in a year or so... probably less than half that. Unless CCP can turn it around, of course. Most players, I would think, want to resub and carry on, but only if CCP stop treating the player base like a cash cow and start acting responsibly.
That's just my opinion.
Well said.
If CCP want to listen to us then they're going to have to *massively* downsize. They can't listen to us or do any work on EveOnline with the current structure dedicated towards other products.
edit: i.e. RUN A SUBSCRIPTION BUSINESS. Where subscriptions cover costs and provide food for devs/CEOs/CFOs and whoever else likes eating food.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Posted - 2011.06.26 00:45:00 -
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If Hilmar had any balls he would have asked 5 simple questions.
CFO: We need growth. CEO: Why? CFO: So we can afford to expand. CEO: Why? CFO: So we can buy more assets real and people. CEO: Why? CFO: So we can develop more products. CEO: Why? CFO: So we can buy a 3rd house. CEO: Why? CFO: So we can afford a monocle. CEO: **** off ****head. We will serve our customers and live forever.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Posted - 2011.06.26 00:51:00 -
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Originally by: Hormus And now, we realize why ship paintjobs weren't implemented in the game all those years, although everyone asked for them.
...and why so many features were outright removed while in a working state....
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Posted - 2011.06.26 01:00:00 -
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Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 26/06/2011 01:01:26
http://www.kugutsumen.com/showthread.php?9644-Goonswarm-Federation-The-Last-Bastion-Of-True-Gooniness&p=258747&viewfull=1#post258747
Figure this should go in here...
edit: ROFL fail ****ing CCP censorship garbage.
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Posted - 2011.06.26 01:54:00 -
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No one even "got it" in the other thread.
Too busy blaming CCP Zulu like he even wrote the blog that appears in his name.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Posted - 2011.06.26 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: Kraxalious
We are up in arms because they can't/wont/absolutely refuse to simply say that they WILL NOT sell NON-VANITY game breaking items in the NEX store in the future.
...........and because they've bull****ted us so much, being caught out in the middle of a bold faced lie. Now when they say it again for the 25th time we will no longer believe them unless it's in writting from the CEO with a witness under penality of a class-action on his personal liability.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:23:00 -
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Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 26/06/2011 04:24:54
Originally by: I'm Down
People aren't cancelling b/c of vanity prices. People are cancelling because they are tired of a broken record of events from this company. The company refuses to fix broken things, and continues to patch in things with horrible implementation strategies and horrible PR skills.
You can't call them childish for getting ****ed off and leaving because CCP as a company is putting out a horrible product. That's just what the market does. Loyalty only drives the customer base so far. CCP burned up that loyalty after multiple bad patching decisions and PR moments over the past 4 years. Now people are just sick of it and the straw has dropped.
^^
Can't be said enough. Hilmar probably still hearing it's a price-point issue.
:18months:? Why do you need to spend :18months: not working on eve?
I pay CCP to maintain a service. That is my contract with them.
I thought they understood growth in a niche market is limited. I thought they understood that they had a sustainable snowball which would roll forever. I thought they understood that they only had to ask me if they needed more money. I thought they understood what a subscription business is.
Then some banker comes along and says "wtf we're not doing 5% growth P.A!!!"
It seems eventually CCP started believing the **** these bankers were telling them about how there are thousands of little gaps in Eve that cash can be extracted from.
I challenge anyone here to find even the smallest revenue steam in EveOnline which hasn't been tagged for exploitation in the near future. psst. Even the API became a revenue stream. So MT is very much real. I'm sure it's all these guys talk about day in day out.
The strategy for DUST + WoD/Incarna was sound. I like how they made the code plan match with the business plan and corification.
However. Growth for growths sake is just tarded.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:49:00 -
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Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 26/06/2011 04:50:32
Originally by: El'Niaga ....Basically they went in full well knowing they planned to screw all existing players, particularly the veterans....
^^
echo echo echo echo
edit: really though they wanted us for another 9-18months and now they are in a lil trouble because we got a little too good at watching the machinations of complex organisations.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:54:00 -
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Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 26/06/2011 04:55:32
Originally by: Destination SkillQueue ..... Please note, that what you can get away with in a F2P game isn't going to be acceptable in a subscription based game......
I believe they know this. It's only during the "transition phase" that it be bothering them.
Some people are dumb enough they'll still be subscribed halfway through.
Then the 12yos from DUST come. Eve devs stops. Pew Pew Pew. Ching Ching Ching.
All with about 10% the workload.
edit: damn, forgot it's social network and needs hub people.... small niche... where are they? oh...
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:58:00 -
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Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 26/06/2011 05:01:34 Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 26/06/2011 05:00:45 lol first time i noticed the date on that :-D
edit: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1352648 Not long after I had a go at em. I wasn't tuned into MT so much as their dev failing though. Although there is talk about PLEX and how it forces CCP to cater to new players only.
His name was John Turbefield! Truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Posted - 2011.06.26 05:09:00 -
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Originally by: Batelle I am insulted by this non-response-deal-with-it response.
Any SWG people on?
Is that not just the point when they play this strategy?
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Posted - 2011.06.26 05:26:00 -
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/end thread
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Posted - 2011.06.26 05:59:00 -
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psst you mised the memo
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Posted - 2011.06.26 06:11:00 -
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Originally by: Shadow XII I entirely 100% support what CCP is going to do with the Noble Exchange, whether they continue to expand on the vanity items or remove the Nex. It's up to them.
However. I thought about it and decided that if non-vanity, non-unique items become available for Aurum, I am going with the exodus.
I will not stand for you taking sales, ISK and thus gameplay away from manufacturers and miners.
Singers: Joseph Smith was called a prophet Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Posted - 2011.06.26 06:53:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Sarn Lots of rumors flying about that Merc corps and alliances will be war decking and or ganking any player caught in space that has vanity items. Any word on this? PL has supposedly introduced a ban on any player with vanity items.
That was 3 days ago.
Noone has much heart left for anything other then shooting CCP now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Posted - 2011.06.26 07:33:00 -
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Originally by: Vapidity This is what I hear then CCP people talk..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH2-TGUlwu4
ROFL!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Posted - 2011.06.26 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: Claire Shala
Originally by: Nishachara CCP answer this please:
ARE YOU MOVING BEYOND AURUM-FOR-VANITY ITEMS?
So i can know should i continue to play and spend time on your game or not.
I think I can answer that for you.
Selling vanity only items (even at dumb prices) will only net you so much money, not everyone is willing to buy them. The vanity items are also not cheap to design, model and implement, and vanity must be feed and updated continuously. CCP's 6+ month lead time on making 1-2 new models/shirts/accessories would rendered the vanity only NeX store a joke eventually.
The only thing they could sell consistently in NeX is pay-to-win things. After that happens, its just a matter of how fast things go down hill.
But there is more.
The funny thing about most pay-to-win items is they have basically ZERO development cost. Add SP? Probably 10 lines of code to add points to the system already in place. Gold ammo? Take faction ammo, pallet shift the icon, adjust stats and you are done. Same with modules, BPCs and implants.
Vanity ships, or 'custom' paintjobs and logos will take more work, they've been requested forever and now that greed and a cracking whip are in full command, you'll see them very soon.
Pay-to-win items are just too easy, and too (short term) lucrative for the 'Greed is Good' mentality of CCP to pass up.
CCP will not come out and say directly "Yes non-vanity items will be sold." because they are trying to be subtle on this (and only this it seems). String people along, slowly ease 'innocent' pay-to-win items in the store, and hope people are blind enough to not only pay a subscription, but also pay out the nose for items all but required to play the game.
IS CCP moving beyond aurum-for-vanity items? Yes, at full speed.
Greed is Good after all.
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For those a lil slow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Posted - 2011.06.26 09:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ilmunel
Originally by: Dark Intaki
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
CCP ZULU DO YOU SEE THE QUESTION ABOVE?
CAN YOU READ IT? GOOD, NOW LISTEN UP.. WE DONT CARE ABOUT THE PRICE OF YOUR STUPID HELLO KITTY ****
WE WANT AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOVE IN YELLOW, CAN YOU COMPREHEND MY ENGLISH??? IF NOT PLEASE REPLY AND I WILL TRY MAKE IT MORE TOWARDS A 5YEAROLDS MENTALITY.
This... will answere if i keep playing or not I want all my fellow eve players to quote this and not suggest any other stupid points, this is the only thing that needs a damn answer
this
Are these CCP alts?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Posted - 2011.06.26 09:28:00 -
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Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 26/06/2011 09:29:27 oi... Zulu ain't half bad, he's there with no degree cause he was one of the guys who gave a lil bit of a ****.
The press release isn't even his words.
edit: ONCE AGAIN
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The press release was already prepped and they were all ready to go get drunk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Posted - 2011.06.26 11:00:00 -
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Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 26/06/2011 11:01:35 Page 338-339 people figure out that it's not Hilmars fault.
A major breakthrough in the history of Eve.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Posted - 2011.06.26 12:41:00 -
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Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 26/06/2011 12:41:56
Originally by: Ian Blackbird
Quote:
duuuuuhhhhhhh?
this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyMXYE_50Ts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Posted - 2011.06.26 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: Claire Shala
Originally by: Nishachara CCP answer this please:
ARE YOU MOVING BEYOND AURUM-FOR-VANITY ITEMS?
So i can know should i continue to play and spend time on your game or not.
I think I can answer that for you.
Selling vanity only items (even at dumb prices) will only net you so much money, not everyone is willing to buy them. The vanity items are also not cheap to design, model and implement, and vanity must be feed and updated continuously. CCP's 6+ month lead time on making 1-2 new models/shirts/accessories would rendered the vanity only NeX store a joke eventually.
The only thing they could sell consistently in NeX is pay-to-win things. After that happens, its just a matter of how fast things go down hill.
But there is more.
The funny thing about most pay-to-win items is they have basically ZERO development cost. Add SP? Probably 10 lines of code to add points to the system already in place. Gold ammo? Take faction ammo, pallet shift the icon, adjust stats and you are done. Same with modules, BPCs and implants.
Vanity ships, or 'custom' paintjobs and logos will take more work, they've been requested forever and now that greed and a cracking whip are in full command, you'll see them very soon.
Pay-to-win items are just too easy, and too (short term) lucrative for the 'Greed is Good' mentality of CCP to pass up.
CCP will not come out and say directly "Yes non-vanity items will be sold." because they are trying to be subtle on this (and only this it seems). String people along, slowly ease 'innocent' pay-to-win items in the store, and hope people are blind enough to not only pay a subscription, but also pay out the nose for items all but required to play the game.
IS CCP moving beyond aurum-for-vanity items? Yes, at full speed.
Greed is Good after all.
Still the best post on the subject, a few runners up.
Not laser focused but does the trick for communicating the situation.
Another good one goes into the setup of the gold system where the dealer always wins on people who try to setup "shops" (CCP being the sole supplier).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.26 13:59:00 -
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CCP hears:
Originally by: Skyreth Good items: blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah . These items I am fine with.
-blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.26 14:30:00 -
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Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 26/06/2011 14:30:54
Originally by: Belloche On 6/24/10 we were told point blank that CCP had no plans to introduce ANY type of MT whatsoever. Now we have the NEX shop. Thats a 180 degree turn around. Being as it takes '18 months' for CCP to fix/do anything were they lying then? Will you or I actually believe them now if they say there will not be any non-vanity items in the nex shop in the future? I won't, especially since I saw what was discussed in the Fearless newsletter and that Hilmar specifically said, "We have communicated our intention here INTERNALLY in very wide circles through the Virtual Economy Summit presentation at the GSM, our FEARLESS NEWSLETTER, sprint reviews, email lists and multiple other channels. This should not come as a surprise to anyone." HIS words, not mine. It comes as a surprise to us since it wasn't done EXTERNALLY. (note that I put his important words in all caps) If we are to believe that "the newsletter doesn't represent the values of CCP" spin, then Hilmar contradicts that in his GLOBAL MASS MAIL. Do we believe a dev or the CEO?
In Fearless, they said that they will be selling standing and other non-vanity items for Arum. CCP WAS READY AT THE EXPANSION TO SELL Scorpions (or don't you remember that) They removed it from the expansion because of the stink we raised and they said they couldn't add a mechanic that a scorpion ship would be a required material to buy it from the cash shop. (now that I think of it, did they actually remove it or just not make it an option right now?) I have been playing this game for almost 4 years now and this would have been UNTHINKABLE for me to think before. Now? Not only do I think it, I KNOW it is coming and I am SAYING its coming. I pray that they prove me wrong. Unsubbing my 3 accounts is the only thing I can do as a paying customer since I quote Hilmar, "I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say" SO what did I do? I will let my 3 accounts lapse. I pray I am wrong, but I really doubt it.
Great post! I believe the final verdict on Scorp was "Righto so everyones cool with that? What you mean problem? Ahh we'll put it in as a trial. Gotta run!" - paraphrase CSM Minutes
Originally by: Shar Tegral
I was telling my wife about this MT for non-vanity items, essentially explaining Pay 2 Win, and she asked me, "and still paying a monthly subscription?"
"That's like Walmart charging an entrance fee so that you can have the privilege of buying stuff at their store."
I believe it's only a problem during the transition phase. Once we all leave they can go F2P/P2W.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.26 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kelnarn Shaelingrath
Originally by: Orkasm Its been 2 days CCP, Where is your reply?
Many pages back and I believe in this thread, but it might have been in a different one, a comment was made that there were only 2 CCP people there and that folks should save this until Monday...
Of course that's not a verbatim quote because I've read through too many blogs and posts and pages since I saw it, but I do remember seeing it. :)
o/ K.S.
No phones in Iceland?
Maybe CCP is going to let the CSM decide where it can and can't make money. :-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.27 01:21:00 -
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May as well copy/pasted this devblog for the new one.
We did ask for Hilmar to explain it to us before Penn was sent out to lay down infront of the bulldozer.
Too hard to explain?
hmmm
Maybe that's because you didn't try to explain it for 3 years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.27 03:48:00 -
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Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/06/2011 03:51:59
Originally by: LordElfa
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus May as well copy/pasted this devblog for the new one.
We did ask for Hilmar to explain it to us before Penn was sent out to lay down infront of the bulldozer.
Too hard to explain?
hmmm
Maybe that's because you didn't try to explain it for 3 years.
Are you trying to dissuade with your sig? I want that rifter right now.
Exactly. Market demand. CCP have said they will adjust MT based on player demand. Bit by bit the market will demand more.
May as well start with the features they've removed and the ones we've demanded for years.
edit: One of the best is going to be when they remove the UI colour controls and make it tinted manacles for RMT.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.27 04:19:00 -
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Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/06/2011 04:19:27
Originally by: Rasz Lin except BF:Heroes is a perfect example of a casual game
As Eve will become.
Originally by: Rasz Lin It has zero depth.
As Eve will become.
Originally by: Rasz Lin its F2P.
As Eve will become.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.27 07:42:00 -
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Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 27/06/2011 07:42:49
Originally by: Diomedes Calypso I might as well go work in the real world and chase real world status symbols if it comes to the point that real world money buys the fake world status symbols.
Depends who you are.
If you're 12 then those status symbols are an indication of how much money you're able to scam outta mummy and daddy.
They mean something to noobs who play DUST.
Cross-promo ftw.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.28 04:26:00 -
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Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 28/06/2011 04:26:31
Originally by: Doctor Dodo If EVE becomes a F2P (which I doubt) then the purchasable weapons, ships, items, and cosmetics items will have to generate a higher monthly stream of income than the current subscriptions currently do, and to do that then they will have to be considerably more powerful then the current ingame versions then every following release of equipment will have to even more powerful than previous releases to get players to pay for the latest generation of equipment.
How long would it take for the F2P veteran players to become easy prey for a noob with the cash to pay for super weapons straight off the rack?
It will take them 7 months to realise they are playing blackjack with a dealer who can't lose.
edit: **** there are plenty of people that think they know how to "win" blackjack lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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